Below is an interview conducted 11/2/15 by Mary Sheppard of the North West Showcase on 93.9 KPDQ with Dr. Troy Dreiling of Zenaptic Chiropractic.
You’ll hear how chiropractic came about and how much it has evolved to what we know it to be today.
Listen while you follow along with the transcription below. Enjoy!
Audio Interview Part 1
Audio Interview Part 2
Welcome to the North West Showcase on 93.9 KPDQ sponsored today by Zenaptic Chiropractic
I am Mary Sheppard with our guest today Dr. Troy Dreiling of Zenaptic Chiropractic a healing center in Vancouver, Washington. The phone number (360)260-6903, that’s (360) 260-6903 and the address to find it is 3201 NE 72nd Drive in Vancouver. It’s on the corner of 4th Plain & Andresen. If you would like to check out the website there is more information there at Zenapticchiropractic.com.
Mary Sheppard: Welcome Dr. Troy
Dr. Troy: Thank you
Mary Sheppard: It’s always great to have you in the studio and talk to you. You are a chiropractor, how else would you define what you do?
Dr. Troy: Yes. That’s the greatest thing that I’ve come across, what we do and explaining that. Recently I have been really focused on telling people, “hey, we are going to help you express your life potential better.” So many people are not expressing their full potential health wise and really I look at this and go, how can I help help them express their full potential better? That is really what I am focused on with patients is getting them to a better state of health with non-traditional allopathic procedures. You know, the drugs and things that most people rely on. So my focus is trying to get them feeling better naturally without doing some of these radical things that can adversely affect them long term.
Mary Sheppard: Right. You want them to live their life to their fullest potential and not be adversely affected by so many things that are in medicine today.
Dr. Troy: Yes
Mary Sheppard: That’s a great thing that you want to do that for them. How did chiropractic come about? What is the focus of chiropractic today and how did that evolve?
Dr. Troy: You know, in 1885 D.D. Palmer who was a magnetic healer, he’s the guy who discovered chiropractic he practiced magnetic healing.
I was reading his book, it’s called History in the Making, his focus was laying hands on people and trying to get the energy flowing in their body. So, he would put his hands on their shoulder, the knee, whatever, then he finally said, “why don’t I focus on the thing that runs the entire body”, which is the central nerve system, let’s focus on getting that working better and in balance.
In 1885 there is a deaf janitor named Harvey Lillard that came to see him and D.D. Palmer ask him how did this happen and he said “well I wrapped my neck, I heard a pop in my neck and I went deaf.” He said, “let me take a look at your neck” and this is when chiropractic was discovered and founded, September 18, 1885. D.D. Palmer pushed on this lesion he felt in his neck and his hearing came back.
Mary Sheppard: Wow!
Dr. Troy: So, D.D. Palmer said, “wow, we found the answer to deafness!” So, you know that’s really what they started promoting, people would come in for deafness, come in and get your deafness cleared for a dollar
Mary Sheppard: (laughing) Right
Dr. Troy: You know, whatever the fee was back in 1885. Peoples other conditions started clearing up. Their high blood pressure, their numbness, their headaches, and all different kinds of started clearing up and he went, something else is going on here this isn’t the cure for deafness because not everyone’s deafness is going away.
That’s really what formulated chiropractic was it was all based on the nervous system and the tone. That’s why I say expressing life’s potential because if you cut a nerve to an organ or a muscle it’s gonna die.
Mary Sheppard: Right
Dr. Troy: But, if you slowly start choking that off you’re going to lose the expression of life to that organ or system or muscle.
Mary Sheppard: Well everything in our bodies is tied to our nervous system.
Dr. Troy: Everything
Mary Sheppard: So, chiropractic investigates that and goes after those causes to see what’s happening in the body.
Dr. Troy: Yes, exactly.
Mary Sheppard: What would bring somebody to come see you then?
Dr. Troy: Well the biggest thing is they are usually frustrated with how they’re feeling, how their functioning, they are frustrated with their health.
I had a guy just the other night he came in and was like, “oh, i’m fine” I said, “is there anything you want to work on?” he said no. I told him “okay, well, come back when you want to work on something.”
Usually, they are frustrated that the effects of daily living are being compromised. Like sleep, energy, they’re tired, they can’t rest properly. I had a guy the other day tell me “normally I get up with one try off the chair but now it takes me five tries to push myself up.” Because of the pain he’s feeling
Mary Sheppard: So their quality of life is starting to suffer so they come to you and say you know maybe we should investigate the nervous system and see if this is causing some of this.
Dr. Troy: Absolutely. And here’s the other thing too, they have typically been to doctor after doctor and this guy the other day said the doctor told him there was nothing wrong with him. He said he can’t sleep he can’t move, I go “well something wrong let’s find the cause.”
The doctor is saying nothing wrong maybe take some ibuprofen maybe take some over the counter but we can’t help you. So I actually like those patients because they have been prescreened, you know they don’t have cancer or some life threatening condition so something else is there that they are not looking for.
I always tell patients, “if you went to a dentist, they’re not going to look at your spine to see if there is a misaligned vertebra, so why would you think that a medical doctor”,not that I am picking on these guys but “why would you think that a medical doctor would look for that? They are not trained to so that.”
I just came across our course, I went to school 22 years ago, I was looking at the recent curriculum for what it would take to be a medical doctor versus a chiropractor. I was telling one of my patients that a medical doctor is going to study pathology, pharmacology, diagnosis and the treatment of those diagnosis’ with drugs and surgery. The patients was like, “oh, yeah.”
So they would never look for a misalignment in your spine or loss of joint motion it’s just not in their realm, just like dentistry won’t look for it.
Mary Sheppard: Well, I think that people get resolved to having to go through life with these issues because they haven’t gotten help from a medical doctor and they think, well okay this is what I have to face in life now.
They don’t think that there is any hope to get beyond that. That is what is so great, you get to come in there and say, hey maybe we can help you with your situation and get some results that way.
I think a lot of people too, maybe, don’t take their health, ummm, I mean we just get so busy with life that we kind of just put it on the back burner and it’s one of the most important things isn’t it?
Dr. Troy: It’s huge. If you don’t have your health than what else is there? I mean it doesn’t matter how big your bank account is.
Look at kids. My wife and I Were watching this program and the mom was murdered and the dad wound up going to jail so now the kids have no parents, I was looking at that with people who lose their health and you know your family is behind you. I don’t like to see anyone suffering and go through that when there are some answers out there.
Mary Sheppard: Mmhmm. So what would you do to find those answers? When somebody comes to you or calls you; let me give that number out again (360) 260-6903.
Somebody calls they make an appointment they say I need a little bit of help with this situation, what would you do?
Dr. Troy: Well the first thing I am going to do is explain to them. We take a history to find out what’s going on. I got to tell you a lot of people will trivialize their health. They will go, oh it’s just my neck and it’s just a little sore, especially the men.
When you dive in deeper, you fins out a lot of time they have been dealing with this for many years and sometimes even decades.It is usually rellated to some sort of traumatic event whether it’s a physical trauma or a mental trauma or even a chemical exposure you know?
So there’s either, thoughts, traumas, or toxins that can cause the body to not function at it’s best. So that’s the first thing we do is look at their history. Then, I am going to explain to them what it is exactly that we do. I will take a spinal; I’ve got posters all over my wall I call it the teaching center, but I will show them the brain, the nerves and I will explain.
The brain runs the body through the central nerve system. In order for organs to work, muscles to work, for your systems to work, you have to have proper nerve supply. So if I block the nerve and we were talking about this earlier, if I cut the nerve to the heart, the heart is going to stop.
Whether you believe in chiropractic or not, it doesn’t matter your religion, if you cut that nerve off whatever that nerve innervates is going to deteriorate. So that’s the first thing I am going to explain to them.
Then I am going to show them. I will go, there are 24 bones in the spine, 31 pairs of spinal nerves, and from the base of your neck to your tailbone ,there are 313 spinal joints. That’s a lot of joints! I will show them, you have 2 shoulder joints, 2 knee joints but you have 313 spinal joints and a lot can happen. I will show them if those bones get out of alignment, do you see what it does to the nerves?
Mary Sheppard: That makes sense, just listening to this!
Dr. Troy: My goal is to get them to go, oh, okay I see, so they understand really what we are looking for. A lot of people don’t know what we do, they are scared, heard stories and I just try to make it, hey this is what we do does that make sense? Most people go, yeah, it makes sense.
Okay, so let’s check you. The biggest thing I am into is function. Let’s check your function. Are you shoulders level, are your feet level.
Mary Sheppard: How’s it working for your body and your life, that sought of thing?
Dr. Troy: Yeah. We will do a functional analysis. Put them on a table, check their leg length, we will move them around and certain things. They can feel the restrictions, I use traction blocks. I will put them under their pelvis when they are laying down and then I will retest and ask if they notice the difference in the tension? 99% of the time patients will feel better. That’s just by laying them on the blocks and reducing the tension. I tell them, “Guess what? You’re already getting better.”
Then we do a more detailed exam. Typically I am going to take more films, x-rays, specific x-rays to look for vertebral misalignments. I had a patient the other day he went to the medic and I ask if they took these x-rays and he said no, they just took a picture of his shoulder.
I told him we’re looking to see; just like D.D. Palmer, the magnetic healer, we are looking to see if there is interference in your life force.
Mary Sheppard: Okay, which is the central nervous system and the nerves to all the parts of your body. So you are checking on those.
When you realign things you’re taking some of the pressure off of those nerves right?
Dr. Troy: Yes, and then that restores the vital life force.
There’s a doctor, Dr. Chung Ha Suh, found that just the weight of a dime on the nerve root will block the nerve flow up to 60%.
Mary Sheppard: Wow, that’s amazing!
Dr. Troy: That doesn’t mean the organ dies, it just loses its energy.
Mary Sheppard: Yeah. Maybe you can experience some pain or discomfort in some way.
Dr. Troy: Absolutely.
Mary Sheppard: You have opened our eyes to a lot of things that have to do with healing and to how the nervous system really affects that.
When you look around America today you do see some health movements and everything else starting up but you see a lot of Americans who really don’t take their health seriously don’t you? What would you say is happening in America today?
Dr. Troy: Well, I think a lot of people don’t realize that they are in charge of their health and tey rely on a doctor to give them answers and tell them to do this, this and this, and so a lot of people have been disempowered I want to say to really take charge of their health.
Mary Sheppard: So they put it in the hands of the doctor instead?
Dr. Troy: Yes
Mary Sheppard: Okay
Dr. Troy: Instead of having a doctor being part of their team, I am more of a guidance counselor if you will for their health. It’s more empowering for people and it’s exciting to see them get better. If we’re trying something that’s not working let’s try something else, that’s really my focus.
Mary Sheppard: So the patients have a say in how things go with their treatment?
Dr. Troy: Absolutely. So many people will just say, oh I have this condition so I can’t get better. They have been kind of imprisoned in that thought process and I say the body heals itself from anything! Whether it’s cancer, diabetes, other conditions, if allowed to express itself properly.
Our biggest thing is the nerve system. How do we maximize potential through the nerve system, through the spine?
Mary Sheppard: So is that what good health is for us? Having the nervous system working perfectly? I mean, or what are you trying to achieve there?
Dr. Troy: Well, there are two components to health but if you look at the definition of health it says health is mental, physical and social optimization. It’s not merely the absence of disease or infirmities. If you look, a lot of people think oh I don’t feel bad so I must be healthy which is not true. You can totally be filled with cancer and not feel sick, so does that mean you’re healthy? No.
Health is when you function optimally on a mental, physical and social level.
Mary Sheppard: So all of those components factor in?
Dr. Troy: All of them, yeah, absolutely.
When you look at health there is a constant in the body. We call it the innate intelligence, that is the life force. So when you look at health there are two things you need.
One is you need life force; so when I was in chiropractic school my instructor said, why don’t you adjust your cadaver? I said okay let me adjust him and nothing happened. I went back to him told him I adjusted the cadaver and he said, “exactly, chiropractic doesn’t work on dead people because they don’t have a life force. So I was like, oh, okay so you have to have a life force number one, which that energy is always constant but then you can lose function. So if that life force is there but you lose function, that’s when you lose your health when you have a loss of function.
So really if you boil it down, if you have maximum function you’ll have maximum health.
Mary Sheppard: And mentally, can that factor in?
Dr. Troy: Yeah.
Mary Sheppard: I guess people that go through stress can have ill health and that kind of thing.
Dr. Troy: There it is.
Mary Sheppard: Okay, yeah.
Dr. Troy: You know I got a book right now it’s called the Polyvagal Theory that I am reading. It talks about the central nervous system and if you look at these people who are over reactive neurologically; you know you talk to them and they get upset really easily, you know they have had some traumas. So, their nerve system is overstimulated and they become catabolic, meaning their body starts breaking down, it’s an insidious slow thing.
So, we look to restore that balance. I had a guy yesterday he was laying on the table and he was snoring and that’s my mission because so many people are stressed out, they are so amped up, they don’t have time to chill. So this guy is taking a snooze, I walk in and I’m like, hey Jim and he woke up. I let him lay there for a little while because he needs to take a chill.
Mary Sheppard: He needs that obviously, yeah!
Dr. Troy: So when we look at chiropractic we look at balancing the autonomic nerves which are, the amped up nerves are called the sympathetic and then the calming, healing, relaxation nerves are called the parasympathetic.
So that’s really my approach, to help balance those two things together so that the body works so that energy is at its full potential.
Mary Sheppard: So, have you seen a lot of results from doing this? This gentleman, the one that came into you and was sleeping obviously needed that. But, then you do treatments?
Dr. Troy: I do, we call them spinal adjustments they are very gentle and very safe. As I was telling you earlier I use a technique, it’s called SOT. We use wedging to unlock the pelvis so that it takes the tension off of the spinal cord.
The spinal cord is going to hook in the sacrum which is in the low back, the tailbone area, and then it is also going to hook to the first bone in the neck. Other than that, the spinal cord floats. So if there’s deviations in the alignment it’s going to create tensions on the nerves which is going to create an altered effect or an altered function.
So when we improve the function they tend to always see an improvement in their health. That’s the beautiful thing. I get goosebumps every time I make an adjustment on somebody and they go, wow, that felt good.
Mary Sheppard: Yeah
Dr. Troy: So many people are scared to get adjusted. I mean I adjust little babies, I adjust people that are in their 90’s.
Mary Sheppard: So you can take a little baby too and be that gentle with that baby and help them with their spine.
Dr. Troy: Yup! I have three kids and I adjusted them right after birth, they don’t get sick.
The patients that come to see me; I had a guy a couple of days ago that came to see me and he told me he brought his daughter to the chiropractor a few years back, she had ear infections. One adjustment the ear infections were gone. She’s had colic and a couple of adjustments and the colic went away. He said that is what sold him on chiropractic, he took his daughter, he never believed in it and now he is a patient getting adjusted and getting results too.
Mary Sheppard: I think there is a lot more respect for chiropractic care today and as people come to learn more about the body, the nervous system and realize how much we are all interconnected with that, things are changing.
Dr. Troy: Yeah. I mean from 20 years ago when I started it’s way more open.
Mary Sheppard: Yeah. Why should someone come to Zenaptic Chiropractic rather than another chiropractor? I know there are a lot of differences in chiropractors.
Dr. Troy: Yeah, well, for me, the biggest thing; and i have an associate doctor, she graduated from a local college are here and she’s like, “wow, they never taught us any of this stuff in school.”
I said, “well we want to get patients better.”
You may be school smart but you’re not street smart on how to take a patient that is not functioning right and transform them into something that they want to be.
I have a lot of patients who come from other doctors and you know I love chiropractors, I am a chiropractor but we all do it different and that’s what I tell them. I will tell them you can go to 10 chiropractors and they will all do it different but here’s what we do. I will explain to them, the nerve system, the adjustment. A lot of people don’t get the adjustment.
So, to me, chiropractic is detecting, locating, analyzing where the imbalance is in the nerve system and correcting that. That’s all I do you know. I don’t do laser hair removal or weight loss, not that that stuff is bad, it’s just to me, chiropractic is correcting, locating and analyzing this interference and removing it.
I train every month, I am at a seminar every month.
Mary Sheppard: I was going to say it sounds like you do a lot of follow-up learning and all of that education for yourself to help you in your practice.
Dr. Troy: Yeah, I will pass that on to my patients. I do monthly classes, they are advanced classes on different things, like weight loss, how to stretch, different exercises you can do. So I do a lot of things to get my patients involved and taking care of themselves.
Mary Sheppard: It sounds like you are putting it on the patient but you are helping them get their health back.
Dr. Troy: Yeah, I want them to take charge.
Mary Sheppard: That is great, that is really great!
Tell us about some of the recent cases you’ve had. I mean it’s interesting to find out how it’s changed people’s lives and I would like to hear a little about that. Maybe you can talk about a person, I mean leave out their name perhaps.
Dr. Troy: Yeah, so I have a couple here, hopefully we can get to them, I will make it quick.
I had a girl come in last week, auto collision, low back pain. So here’s the trivializing part; she said it’s just her back that hurts. I do her exam and I’m testing her. I grabbed her neck and asked her if she gets headaches. She’s like, “oh yeah, all the time.” She didn’t even write headaches down.
I asked her when the first time was that she notices her headaches and she says, “my whole life I’ve had headaches.” So in my mind, I’m like, something caused this so I asked her, “how was birth?” She said her mom was in labor with her for almost 46 hours.
Mary Sheppard: Woah!
Dr. Troy: Yeah, that’s almost 2 days he mom was in labor, contracting, trying to get this baby out and she has had headaches ever since.
And so, the first adjustment, she comes back the next day and I asked her, “”how’s the headaches?” she goes, “Well, it’s better.” It’s been three adjustments now, it’s been a week and I asked her again.”any headaches?” she goes. “No, I haven’t had headaches in a week. We’ll see.”
I said, “what do you mean we’ll see?” She’s like, “well, I am going to work tonight and we’ll see.”
I’m like, you haven’t had a headache for a week and you have had them daily for your entire life, to me it’s a miracle.
Mary Sheppard: She’s just waiting for the other shoe to drop
Dr. Troy: Yeah. So, she’s like super skeptical.
I have another guy, Dan, same way, skeptical, came in, his back hurt, pain down his leg, numbness, they call is sciatica. He couldn’t walk, couldn’t golf. He hadn’t golfed in over a year because of the pain. Every visit, am I gonna get better? I worked with him for about 90 days, took his post x-ray and he’s like, “man, I don’t know what you did to me, you’re a miracle worker.” he’s golfing again, he has no pain. He was a tough guy to get to follow through with his game plan and now he’s like, I am going to stick with this. He comes every couple of weeks to make sure he’s functioning at his best.
One more, I know we’re running short on time but I had a mom who brought her baby in a couple of weeks ago and I adjusted him. He had been constipated and the next day cleared it up. It’s been about three weeks, she brought him back in said he hasn’t gone in 5 days and so I did a little more intense adjusting with him and I told her, you better get that diaper ready.
Mary Sheppard: Laughing
Dr. Troy: And sure enough by the time she hit the front door for the car the little guy had taken care of business.
Mary Sheppard: S the nervous system, it controls so much of the body and you do the realigning and treatments there at Zenaptic Chiropractic, (360) 260-6903.
Dr. Troy: I have a book out, Take Charge of Your Health, that’s really our motto. When you look at the rhinos everybody is always like, why the rhinos because we want you taking charge, that’s what rhinos do.
Mary Sheppard: I get it.
Dr. Troy: I can send you a free copy so you can read up on what we do. I’m here to help and I appreciate being here in the studio and spreading the word.
Mary Sheppard: Always a great time to have you here Dr. Troy. That number again to reach Dr. Troy Dreiling at Zenaptic Chiropractic (360) 260-6903. It’s in Vancouver, 3021 NE 72nd Drive on the corner of 4th Plain and Andresen. Of course, check out the website too, you can learn a lot at Zenapticchiropractic.com